Thank you for your honesty and courage to say the things a lot of people think but don't say.
I am a woman and I say that things went too far and its time everyone stop lying to themselves and the world. Heterosexual women want masculine men and hetero men want feminine women. They may say otherwise but on a deeper level it is a lie.
Feminine doesn't mean weak or submissive as much as masculine does not mean abusive or aggressive. The dialog about masculine and feminine got so messed up that soon there will be hard to define either, especially for younger generations. Let's not let the desire to be populist, politically correct and pleasing get in a way of the objective reality, a.k.a. truth
Pew defines "single" as "not married, living with a partner or in a committed romantic relationship."
I'd be curious how often young women date older men, and vice-versa. No clue whether this would impact those percentages. Just musing.
What I find a tad surprising is that Pew published identical research in 2020. 32% of women in the 18-29 category were single. Basically, no change. But 51% of men in the 18-29 category were single. So, if the survey is any good, there was a significant shift of single young men pre-COVID to post-COVID. Interesting.
Just speculating, but I wonder if this suggests that socialization (and the development of social skills) are more important for young men than women.
Then again, it could just be the Tinder effect. A few hot guys have each convinced 10X women that they are in a "committed romantic relationship." ;-)
Two sentences from your post I love (the second more so):
1 ."I'd be curious how often young women date older men, and vice-versa."
2. "Just speculating, but I wonder if this suggests that socialization (and the development of social skills) are more important for young men than women."
I don't have the exact studies but in major cities younger women are being forced to date much older because they're more successful than their young male counterparts (NY, LA, Chicago).
In New York it's what I hear many guys talk about; it isn't easy lol (there's also this term called hypergamy that classifies this)
As for the second point, WOW, I never put 2&2 together but I believe that to be true. Why else would the rise of Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and (for better or worse) Andrew Tate happen, with some men considering them a second father.
Thank you for this, Laramie.
I didn't want to hyperbolize at all, there's enough of that in the media. I'll fix that error right away!
I've been married almost 37 years, mentoring young men for about 15 years (high school and college aged). A huge percentage of these young men are postponing involvement with women. Porn plus unrealistic career goals plus helicopter parents plus social media has created an environment where young men think women are more work than they are worth. Sad.
Thank you for your honesty and courage to say the things a lot of people think but don't say.
I am a woman and I say that things went too far and its time everyone stop lying to themselves and the world. Heterosexual women want masculine men and hetero men want feminine women. They may say otherwise but on a deeper level it is a lie.
Feminine doesn't mean weak or submissive as much as masculine does not mean abusive or aggressive. The dialog about masculine and feminine got so messed up that soon there will be hard to define either, especially for younger generations. Let's not let the desire to be populist, politically correct and pleasing get in a way of the objective reality, a.k.a. truth
Your numbers are a little exaggerated. The Pew study from 2022, cited in that Hill article you linked, shows 63% of men 18-29 are single, whereas 34% of women the same age are single. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2023/02/08/for-valentines-day-5-facts-about-single-americans/
Pew defines "single" as "not married, living with a partner or in a committed romantic relationship."
I'd be curious how often young women date older men, and vice-versa. No clue whether this would impact those percentages. Just musing.
What I find a tad surprising is that Pew published identical research in 2020. 32% of women in the 18-29 category were single. Basically, no change. But 51% of men in the 18-29 category were single. So, if the survey is any good, there was a significant shift of single young men pre-COVID to post-COVID. Interesting.
Just speculating, but I wonder if this suggests that socialization (and the development of social skills) are more important for young men than women.
Then again, it could just be the Tinder effect. A few hot guys have each convinced 10X women that they are in a "committed romantic relationship." ;-)
Two sentences from your post I love (the second more so):
1 ."I'd be curious how often young women date older men, and vice-versa."
2. "Just speculating, but I wonder if this suggests that socialization (and the development of social skills) are more important for young men than women."
I don't have the exact studies but in major cities younger women are being forced to date much older because they're more successful than their young male counterparts (NY, LA, Chicago).
In New York it's what I hear many guys talk about; it isn't easy lol (there's also this term called hypergamy that classifies this)
As for the second point, WOW, I never put 2&2 together but I believe that to be true. Why else would the rise of Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, and (for better or worse) Andrew Tate happen, with some men considering them a second father.
Thank you for this, Laramie.
I didn't want to hyperbolize at all, there's enough of that in the media. I'll fix that error right away!
I've been married almost 37 years, mentoring young men for about 15 years (high school and college aged). A huge percentage of these young men are postponing involvement with women. Porn plus unrealistic career goals plus helicopter parents plus social media has created an environment where young men think women are more work than they are worth. Sad.