Many of us have heard Trump live broadcasts say the opposite of what you are telling us “he’s saying”, and thinking (mindreadingexpert?)So we don’t need an interpreter, thanks anyway. And I prefer empirical evidence.
I never heard him say our elections are “systemically broken”, just rigged to deliver a result that’s fake, stolen.
You don’t like
“Stolen”. Okay. Rigged, manipulated, influenced, carelessly handled, cheated, misreported, whatever. The evidence of all the above overwhelmingly shows Trump may have won. Easily. AND the election officials have fought hard to prevent that evidence from being released to the public. So have judges, the press, and tech corps.
AND he offers a solution. Paper ballots. No drop boxes. Limited Absentee ballots that must be requested. No mass mailing out of ballots to just everyone. Sure these are self-explanatory. If not, study up, Grasshopper!
My only issue is the conjecture in your argument: "Trump may have won easily."
He didn't.
The system said no just as it said yes to him in 2016. Clearly as you said, and as I argued, the deck was severely stacked against him. But I have trouble seeing where your line of thinking goes.
Was tyranny and unfair circumstances shoved into the elections during a pandemic. Yes. But unfair circumstances are always shoved in. This is how elections go. Televised debates during JFK/Nixon changed history, Al Gore beat Bush in the popular vote but lost the electoral... I could go on and on.
I have no problems with Trump, really this article was about the deeper issues in our democracy which may be unfixable.
After all, and as I failed to mention in the article, Hillary and every Dem supporter ran on a "stolen election" for four years too. Maybe something fatal is happening to democracy. IDK. Regardless, I like that Trump brings out the best (and worst?) out of people. Thanks for the comment Julia.
Just curious. Did Hillary ever say “how” it was stolen from her. Did anyone offer any evidence? I don’t and didn’t follow her closely, so I wouldn’t know. I always assumed that she assumed it was her “turn” and didn’t see Trump as any threat to win, and she didn’t even campaign much in my observation. To me, she threw the win away, and he took it. She probably felt like it had to be stolen since, in her mind, not many people would prefer him over her. Oh my, so many deplorables?
Sooo, with Trump’s growing popularity through his first four years, and with his stated desire to clean out the “swamp”, the opposition had no choice but to “cheat” if they wanted a chance to get him out. Many said they would do anything. IMO they did anything. And it worked, with the help of big tech platforms Bc having just the press on their side wasn’t enough any more. Like I said, I didn’t watch much MSM so maybe I missed all the evidence Hillary’s team may have presented. If you have time, please direct me to some of it?
"I hope the best candidate — Republican or Democrat — wins in 2024." - Why?
Ok, devil's advocate here. When has the above ever worked. Every time we vote to be governed, we get a LOT more government.I don't need to be governed, do you? If I vote to have my will imposed on that guy, in the next term that guy is gonna have his will imposed on me. It's a zero-sum game and just gets worse and worse around here.
If we can take back control of food, energy and money, then the elites literally lose control over us. Small local farms and ranches, free-energy and zero-point tech, and of course a few cryptos. That should do the trick.
"But what about the roads and schools!" - Seriously, who made that smartphone in your pocket? If the free markets can figure out how to make a smartphone, I'm sure we can figure out how to pave a road.
I say, we just leave that old system altogether. Stop complying with it and render it obsolete.
Sounds like a Anarcho-Capitalist society that Michael Malice describes— but if it's not I'd love some book recommendations detailing out what you describe.
My only problem with Anarchy in the political sense is it seems to eventually return to a normal sense of governance. The richest citizen can still afford the largest private security and still has the most power.
I'd like to see this system on a small scale.
And maybe we'll get to see this if America ever fragments into smaller areas.
Either way thanks for commenting and getting my gears turning on Anarchy again. Would really like some resources that pointed you towards this line of thinking.
In Mexico (for just 1 example), there are neighborhoods and even larger towns where no government people or cartel are allowed anymore. They dare not come back. The old ladies, kids, able adults and friends of the towns got together and provide their own security now. Many of them have switched to using cryptos too so that outside goods can be imported when desired.
An-archy just means "without-rulers". It does not mean without rules. A society of abundance discourages crime because everyone has what they need and wants to be accepted by their neighbors.
Not sure who Michael Malice is, but a guy I met Larken Rose explains voluntaryist societies pretty well in his book:
Anyway, these towns use micro-hydro for power, and sometimes solar from others that I have seen. They grow all of their own food and import some things like smartphones and internet from neighboring towns by paying with cryptos (monero, hive, bitcoin, etc).
People have gotten so used to being led, and indoctrinated in the schools that they are convinced that they need to vote for governments or else society will fail with out them. I think that's sad, but I do think that if people realize they are smart and strong without being led, then we can recover from this beast that we all face right now.
The town that I live in has leaders too, but not by coercion and force. The leaders here are various old people (the best plumber is the guy we all turn to for plumbing problems, the best salespeople are the ones who negotiate agreements (handshakes and using your Word as the guarantee) with neighboring towns, the mother's are parents who actually teach (homeschools). Even the local bakery has classes where we learn to bake bread, make cookies and tortillas etc. The farmer's know how to grow without any pesticides. We all compost here and contribute to our neighbors (I can't grow tomatoes, but my neighbor can and she gets a bunch of chiles from me).
You naturally become a "leader" in the field that you love, and most people will "vote for" (recommend) you without even having to ask. When I lived in Germany, families put their family name on everything, so you have to make a quality product or service. Many do that here too now with the things that we make.
No lawyers. No corporations (corp means death). No mortgages (mort means death). No "authorities". No taxes. Plenty of guns and ammo so we can defend an innocent human if we have to. Just cooperation and good neighbors. Good behaviour and abundance go hand in hand and those are the "laws" that we encourage and live by.
I’m 73 and there were “bullies”in school back then. It seems to be worse now and not just a teenage thing any more. Should we just tolerate that too?
I remember my grandparents lamenting how bad things had become when I was just a child. Maybe I’m just old and this is the natural evolution of things?
Many of us have heard Trump live broadcasts say the opposite of what you are telling us “he’s saying”, and thinking (mindreadingexpert?)So we don’t need an interpreter, thanks anyway. And I prefer empirical evidence.
I never heard him say our elections are “systemically broken”, just rigged to deliver a result that’s fake, stolen.
You don’t like
“Stolen”. Okay. Rigged, manipulated, influenced, carelessly handled, cheated, misreported, whatever. The evidence of all the above overwhelmingly shows Trump may have won. Easily. AND the election officials have fought hard to prevent that evidence from being released to the public. So have judges, the press, and tech corps.
AND he offers a solution. Paper ballots. No drop boxes. Limited Absentee ballots that must be requested. No mass mailing out of ballots to just everyone. Sure these are self-explanatory. If not, study up, Grasshopper!
My only issue is the conjecture in your argument: "Trump may have won easily."
He didn't.
The system said no just as it said yes to him in 2016. Clearly as you said, and as I argued, the deck was severely stacked against him. But I have trouble seeing where your line of thinking goes.
Was tyranny and unfair circumstances shoved into the elections during a pandemic. Yes. But unfair circumstances are always shoved in. This is how elections go. Televised debates during JFK/Nixon changed history, Al Gore beat Bush in the popular vote but lost the electoral... I could go on and on.
I have no problems with Trump, really this article was about the deeper issues in our democracy which may be unfixable.
After all, and as I failed to mention in the article, Hillary and every Dem supporter ran on a "stolen election" for four years too. Maybe something fatal is happening to democracy. IDK. Regardless, I like that Trump brings out the best (and worst?) out of people. Thanks for the comment Julia.
Just curious. Did Hillary ever say “how” it was stolen from her. Did anyone offer any evidence? I don’t and didn’t follow her closely, so I wouldn’t know. I always assumed that she assumed it was her “turn” and didn’t see Trump as any threat to win, and she didn’t even campaign much in my observation. To me, she threw the win away, and he took it. She probably felt like it had to be stolen since, in her mind, not many people would prefer him over her. Oh my, so many deplorables?
Sooo, with Trump’s growing popularity through his first four years, and with his stated desire to clean out the “swamp”, the opposition had no choice but to “cheat” if they wanted a chance to get him out. Many said they would do anything. IMO they did anything. And it worked, with the help of big tech platforms Bc having just the press on their side wasn’t enough any more. Like I said, I didn’t watch much MSM so maybe I missed all the evidence Hillary’s team may have presented. If you have time, please direct me to some of it?
"I hope the best candidate — Republican or Democrat — wins in 2024." - Why?
Ok, devil's advocate here. When has the above ever worked. Every time we vote to be governed, we get a LOT more government.I don't need to be governed, do you? If I vote to have my will imposed on that guy, in the next term that guy is gonna have his will imposed on me. It's a zero-sum game and just gets worse and worse around here.
If we can take back control of food, energy and money, then the elites literally lose control over us. Small local farms and ranches, free-energy and zero-point tech, and of course a few cryptos. That should do the trick.
"But what about the roads and schools!" - Seriously, who made that smartphone in your pocket? If the free markets can figure out how to make a smartphone, I'm sure we can figure out how to pave a road.
I say, we just leave that old system altogether. Stop complying with it and render it obsolete.
Interesting take Jade.
Sounds like a Anarcho-Capitalist society that Michael Malice describes— but if it's not I'd love some book recommendations detailing out what you describe.
My only problem with Anarchy in the political sense is it seems to eventually return to a normal sense of governance. The richest citizen can still afford the largest private security and still has the most power.
I'd like to see this system on a small scale.
And maybe we'll get to see this if America ever fragments into smaller areas.
Either way thanks for commenting and getting my gears turning on Anarchy again. Would really like some resources that pointed you towards this line of thinking.
Hey Isaiah! :)
In Mexico (for just 1 example), there are neighborhoods and even larger towns where no government people or cartel are allowed anymore. They dare not come back. The old ladies, kids, able adults and friends of the towns got together and provide their own security now. Many of them have switched to using cryptos too so that outside goods can be imported when desired.
An-archy just means "without-rulers". It does not mean without rules. A society of abundance discourages crime because everyone has what they need and wants to be accepted by their neighbors.
Not sure who Michael Malice is, but a guy I met Larken Rose explains voluntaryist societies pretty well in his book:
https://www.amazon.com/Most-Dangerous-Superstition-Larken-Rose/dp/145075063X
Anyway, these towns use micro-hydro for power, and sometimes solar from others that I have seen. They grow all of their own food and import some things like smartphones and internet from neighboring towns by paying with cryptos (monero, hive, bitcoin, etc).
People have gotten so used to being led, and indoctrinated in the schools that they are convinced that they need to vote for governments or else society will fail with out them. I think that's sad, but I do think that if people realize they are smart and strong without being led, then we can recover from this beast that we all face right now.
The town that I live in has leaders too, but not by coercion and force. The leaders here are various old people (the best plumber is the guy we all turn to for plumbing problems, the best salespeople are the ones who negotiate agreements (handshakes and using your Word as the guarantee) with neighboring towns, the mother's are parents who actually teach (homeschools). Even the local bakery has classes where we learn to bake bread, make cookies and tortillas etc. The farmer's know how to grow without any pesticides. We all compost here and contribute to our neighbors (I can't grow tomatoes, but my neighbor can and she gets a bunch of chiles from me).
You naturally become a "leader" in the field that you love, and most people will "vote for" (recommend) you without even having to ask. When I lived in Germany, families put their family name on everything, so you have to make a quality product or service. Many do that here too now with the things that we make.
No lawyers. No corporations (corp means death). No mortgages (mort means death). No "authorities". No taxes. Plenty of guns and ammo so we can defend an innocent human if we have to. Just cooperation and good neighbors. Good behaviour and abundance go hand in hand and those are the "laws" that we encourage and live by.
Much love Isaiah! :)
-jade
I’m 73 and there were “bullies”in school back then. It seems to be worse now and not just a teenage thing any more. Should we just tolerate that too?
I remember my grandparents lamenting how bad things had become when I was just a child. Maybe I’m just old and this is the natural evolution of things?
P.S. do you suggest that we not try to stop cheating (or lying or anything unfair) simply because it always been the way things have been done?